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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.29 05:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:There is a simply way to fix the poor voter turnout: COMPULSORY SUFFERAGE
A great idea, if the image of GM's having to deal with more angry "I can't log in" petitions than votes gets you all excited.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Will these graphs include the number of page views of the voting page vs the number of actual votes?
Yeah really! Not only would this information be worthless without past years' data to compare to, Frying Doom here can intentionally misrepresent it to prove his point!
CCP MAKE IT HAPPEN
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 06:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes because in your fantasy world, people go to the voting page and keep reloading it.
Nah, just meant there's more than one reason someone can go to a page and not vote. I know what you'll say - it'd be evidence of how everyone hates STV and STV ruined the election, much like you've been trying to do since the day the results came out.
Frying Doom wrote:But now I suppose is where you tell me a voter turn out of 12.12% is actually really good. 
Is this the part where you tell everyone what IS a good percentage turnout for an unprecedented video game advisory council?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I wonder if that is because the voting percentages stunk, and players have said it stinks. Why would people go to the voting page other than to vote? I think you are grasping at straws, now that you have realized that STV is good for organized blocks and Null sec as a whole.
Nice try, but no.
Voting numbers were going to be down no matter what the voting system - this CSM failed bigtime in engaging with players and convincing us that we should care about the CSM. CCP dropped the ball there bigtime as well (well, until they finally came out and actually said what the CSM meant to them, way too late to make a difference this year). I don't deny that STV turned some people off, but it's nowhere near the factor you think it is.
Page refreshes aren't just useless because you don't know why someone went to the page and then left, they're also useless without historical context. You can't say something is "better" or "worse" without any kind of baseline.
And this leads us to...
Frying Doom wrote:Well after CCP did the most advertising it has ever done in a CSM campaign, a higher percentage would have be good.
That's not what I asked. I asked you what percentage of voters for such a thing would be "good" by your standards? I mean, if 12.12% is horrific, then what's good?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Did I say I was looking at a trend, no but it would be nice to know how many people actually went to the page, and then did not vote. I will not say CCP did a good job, but it was still a better job than they have ever done before.
Translation: I have no clue how to actually read this data, but just give me a number so I can point and shriek "SEE THIS WAS ALL STV"
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Good to see you are now such a strong supporter of STV now that you know it helps the null candidates.
Ahh, Frying Doom logic. I'm not screaming that STV is solely responsible for a drop in votes, so I must be supporting it!
I'll spoil something for you: literally any voting system is going to be good for an organized bloc. We can make pretty much whatever work in our favour. STV, FPTP, anything. Doesn't matter. STV makes the organization easier, sure, but I'm not the one doing said organization so I truly couldn't give a ****. Personally my opinion is unchanged from those quotes - it's still way too early for STV. That beign said, STV has been chosen and, given this is CCP, it's not going to change, certainly not back to FPTP, and we certainly won't see any reversion in how the chair is chosen or how the Iceland seats are chosen either (which honestly are the truly damaging parts of the equation, far moreso than STV).
What I am saying, though, is that your myopic focus on STV is wrong. Was it a net positive? That's up for debate. CSM 7's failure to promote themselves and CCP's failure to promote the CSM in general is what caused the drop, not the voting system, no matter how much you want that to be.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:35:00 -
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That sounds suspiciously like something a reptillian would do, Malcanis. Would you care to comment on that?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 05:22:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Heh, that is funny. However, CCP cannot let people abuse the CCP "brand" or otherwise undermine CCP's reputation and/or authority. That's just asking for trouble.
I would expect those involved to get dinged for violating rule 8 of the ToS: "You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer."
Unless whoever posted it explicitly said they were a CCP staffer or CCP volunteer, that won't happen. The image isn't enough (especially when you take into account the GSF bee in the bottom left corner).
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.05 16:18:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So.... we're not allowed to imply that Goons rigged the election (despite the numbers that suggest it) until CCP says it's ok to admit it? I know I'm not allowed to suggest that you're anything other than impartial, but COME ON.
Please explain how this happened. Use pictures if you must.
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